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Title: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Krawkyz on October 23, 2012, 04:21:09 PM
Well, due to complaints we have temporary forum bans now due to comprehension of a post, so I have put together a miniscule guide on grammar.

Contractions

-Combine two words to make a more flowing sentence

Examples:
It is = It's; Can not/Cannot = Can't; Do not = Don't.

Possessive Nouns
-Nouns that claim an object.

Example:
Its (NOT IT'S); His; Her; bren's, their.

Punctuation
-Ending Sentence Punctuation
-Quotation
-Dashes
-Semi-colons/colons
-Comma
-Parentheses

Examples:
Ending Sentence Punctuation: I went to the market to buy a soda. Bren stopped me and punched me in the face! Why did he do that?
Quotation: Bren said, "You better stay out of this market! It's mine!"
Dashes: I was so mad that I -- my cell phone began to ring, but I didn't notice -- almost punched him back.
Semi-colons/colons: Bren devised a plan; in this plan included: going to the store, punching Krawkyz, coming back from the store.
Comma: Commas have many rules, but they often come before conjunctions, or in a series. They also come in appositives, an extra clause in a sentence such as this, to show it is one.
Parentheses: Evil bren and his many rules (I had already devised a plan of my own).

Prepositions / Prepositional Phrases
-Clauses that come before the main clause

Example:
Woah! Didn't see that coming!
Wow, what a joker.
While the bird jumped, I decided to spring my move.
Looking inside, I saw an evil portrait of bren hidden.

Capitalization
-A sentence starts with it.
-Proper Nouns are often capitalized.
-Certain proper nouns are not capitalized because of the nature of their name.

Example:
One day, Krawkyz found himself in an idiotic situation, again. Grammar.
One day, bren4q (name not capitalized) found himself, again.

Words that sound alike.
(Courtesy of Ejay)
They're - They are (Ex: They're not Ejay!)
Their - Ownership of one or multiple people, or statement. (Ex: It's not theirs!)
There - A location (Ex: There! No, not there!)

You - A person not yourself you're referring to. (Ex: You)
Your - Ownership of a particular person, or statement of another. (Ex: Your humanity!)
You're - You are (Ex: You're beautiful.)

Mean - A average (2+4)/2 = 3
Mean - A harsh or unpleasant thing or action. (Ex: What a mean person!)
Mean - The point you're making (What do you mean Krawkyz's mom is beautiful?)

Use this to your advantage; I may add more later.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Saracalia on October 23, 2012, 04:35:08 PM
Don't get confused with There, Their and They're.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: bren4q on October 23, 2012, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: Krawkyz on October 23, 2012, 04:21:09 PM
Well, due to complaints we have temporary forum bans now due to comprehension of a post
It's not going to be strictly enforced. But if certain individuals make absolutely zero effort to type coherently then action could be taken.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Kenyor on October 23, 2012, 05:01:19 PM
i grately aproov of dis i h8 it wen peepel dont yews grammer propurly.

they should sort theyre educasion out

your a hero krakwyz

No, but seriously, this is a fantastic new rule: kudos.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Mister_Survival on October 23, 2012, 05:04:42 PM
You approve of grammar yet your sentence was mostly misspelled and more so....
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Ejay845 on October 23, 2012, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: Noku345 on October 23, 2012, 04:35:08 PM
Don't get confused with There, Their and They're.
On that note :D....

Words that sound alike.
They're - They are (Ex: They're griefing!)
Their - Ownership of one or multiple people, or statement. (Ex: It's their build.)
There - A location (Ex: He's over there!)

You - A person not yourself you're refering to. (Ex: Hey you!) If you dont know this, you should be in school. Not minecraft lol.
Your - Ownership of a particular person, or statement of another. (Ex: Your mom!)
You're - You are (Ex: You're ugly)

Mean - A average (Go to school. I'm not explaining it.)
Mean - A harsh or unpleasent thing or action. (Ex: Mrs. Bren is mean)
Mean - The point you're making (What do you mean Krawkyz's mom is a b----?)

Theres probably many mores, but these I could think of.
If you don't know basics like what "You" is or "There"
then you should be in school learning this crap. The times you
can slack, or I could slack would be in 5th grade , 7th grade, and I don't
know the rest because I'm only in 8th. But I didn't mention these grades for these reasons:

5th Grade - Mostly review but you kinda learn new things. I think, I forgot.
6th Grade - You learn important and essential things in this grade. They'll make you
go to "special" programs when you get to higher grades if you act like you're stupid and be lazy.
7th Grade - Super easy. You review and learn some important stuff but it's easy.
8th Grade - Apparently this is supposed to be the "hard" grade. It is, until you get the
swing of how things go. Then it's pretty easy as long as you're organized.  But you should
focus because now you're going onto High School.

Where I live all this is a lot more serious,
because the line from falling into gangs, drugs and violence, and staying in school and getting
a good education is very very thin. Heck just so you know. The school I go to people are usually getting shot or stabbed, and 66 people were *found* with HIV(theres probably more).


Welp anywho. Supposing most of you are adults or over the age of 16 and allowed to
get jobs so it kinda doesn't apply to you. But if you're under the age of 9 then you
really shouldn't be playing MC. This post shouldn't* be needed BUT- it is infact,
I've found no matter what grade you go to you can still be stupid. I know a college student
who can't spell "Didn't" lol...
My point is, if you're super young or in school you shouldn't spend the majority of your time on videogames.
Tis' all!

Come again for:
Chat Time with
EJAY 8 - 4 - 5

Until next time, cya later folks!

If you wanna know how old I am (which I wouldn't know why except curiosity) then click below!
[spoiler]My age is a number between 1 and 20. It's one of the 2 avergae ages of a average 8th grader.
It's the opposite of someone in their early 30s and the age after the funnest and funniest age (now a days)

I gave you tooo many hints. What is it?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Kenyor on October 23, 2012, 05:19:56 PM
Well spotted Mister_Survival :) I have a new word for you; irony.

It doesn't mean "kind of like iron"...
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Glenn on October 23, 2012, 05:33:54 PM
This' all great for people who actually have English as their first language, but understand, That people like me, who don't have it as their first language, may be making quite a few faults on grammar, due to not having enough lessons of it/not yet having English on school...
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: kesteve on October 23, 2012, 05:36:19 PM
Lol Kenyor, thought I was proofreading at college again.... While I'm here though, three periods means you skip something, while four says that you're ending your sentence after skipping something. ^_^ (0_0 and before I can post, Glenn does the same thing... lol.)
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Juwayyid on October 23, 2012, 05:37:10 PM
You're better than Haze Glenn...
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Kidd2000 on October 23, 2012, 06:11:14 PM
You have a period in the title of the topic. It shouldn't be there.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Kenyor on October 23, 2012, 06:51:51 PM
Kesteve, you're venturing into uncertain territory now, there is no universally established rule across all English linguistic schools as to the correct usage of "three dots" (an ellipsis) or four dots in the situations you outlined. Three dots can be used to indicate an unfinished thought, or a "trailing off" in speech or thought. Terry Pratchett uses it in this manner constantly, and he is one of the most celebrated authors of all time.

I'm guessing you're basing your understanding of this rule on a writing policy held by a specific academic institution you're involved with, but I have never had any issue with my use of the ellipsis in this exact manner in any of my academic writing, so don't tread on me :P
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Krawkyz on October 23, 2012, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: Kidd2000 on October 23, 2012, 06:11:14 PM
You have a period in the title of the topic. It shouldn't be there.
I was making a fragment for an effect. Such as this:
There were so many flowers! Blue, green, purple, red, orange!

Aslo, EJ, lern 2 spel.

Kenyor, there are three ways to use three dots (ellipsis)
One: To show you are starting/ending a quote in the middle of it.
"...and yet the flowers could never show their true strength..."
Two: To show a sudden change of setting
He fell to the ground...
...in another area around the world, things changed.
Three: To give a tone/mood
And yet, none could survive this catastrophe...
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Juwayyid on October 23, 2012, 07:46:42 PM
I attempt to use the ... to show sarcasm and awkwardness...  (as used there)


I'm such a fraud!
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: bren4q on October 23, 2012, 07:49:46 PM
What the...
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Juwayyid on October 23, 2012, 08:08:43 PM
And yet, none could survive this catastrophe...

/ \
|
|

I may be wrong, but is this even correct?  Can you use "and yet" like that?  Wouldn't it just be "yet none could survive..."

I'm not sure the sentence can even exist if nobody survived the catastrophe to say it.  The speaker is speaking of "this" catastrophe.  He would have to be a ghost or something, as he seems to be speaking in present tense...
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: jwirth on October 23, 2012, 08:18:48 PM
really now? You all have to remember a lot of minecraft players are kids so most don't have great grammar now me on the other hand, I'm just to damn lazy to use it because I don't need to in a social site. Now if I was writing an essay that's a different story.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: thealex447 on October 23, 2012, 10:42:56 PM
Its not about having perfect grammar, its about getting your point across. If people mix up "there" and "their" often, as well as never using punctuation, it is difficult to figure out what they actually wrote.

Jwirth, although your grammar isn't perfect, I was able to read what you wrote with ease. That is the goal.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: jwirth on October 23, 2012, 11:17:09 PM
I can understand some of it but still, it's kinda annoying.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Kidd2000 on October 23, 2012, 11:43:45 PM
I'm pretty sure all of us are in high school at the least. So we should all know how to spell and use graham crackers properly.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Glenn on October 24, 2012, 06:13:09 AM
Quote from: Juwayyid on October 23, 2012, 05:37:10 PM
You're better than Haze Glenn...

I know that juw, but I just wanna point out that not everyone here knows how to use English grammar right..
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Skitty on October 24, 2012, 06:31:42 AM
i just dont cap the first letter in my sentences. :D nor do i use ' in certain words ie dont. but sometimes i do; only when i want to feel classy.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Mister_Survival on October 24, 2012, 08:25:22 PM
I am in 7th grade,thank you very much


And irony just described what you might be feeling that a 7th grader corrected your paragraph ;D
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Krawkyz on October 24, 2012, 08:42:35 PM
You didn't correct him - you pointed out he spelled something wrong. That's not correcting, that's telling them they're wrong, which isn't constructive.
By the way guys, this topic isn't about a super strict rule: I'm just explaining that you need to at least understand and use some of these concepts so we can understand you.
Notice I just used dashes and colons; some punctuation can be used in a similar manner and convey the same feeling.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Jaysers on October 24, 2012, 10:16:55 PM
I can confidently say that this post is going to be one of the least heeded forum topic.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: BananaSquats on October 24, 2012, 10:21:51 PM
@Mister: I think Kenyor misspelled those words on purpose, as it is called sarcasm......  T_T
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Kenyor on October 24, 2012, 10:52:54 PM
My God; someone gets it!
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Jaysers on October 24, 2012, 11:25:23 PM
Quote from: Mister_Survival on October 24, 2012, 08:25:22 PM
And irony just described what you might be feeling that a 7th grader corrected your paragraph ;D

Though very commonly misused, that is not the correct way to use irony :). Irony, indepth, is more complicated than the common understandment of that term. For example, the phrase: "dying in the living room". may seem ironic. However, that is not the correct way to use irony.

There are several forms of irony, but let's break down to the simplest forms of irony. Verbal irony and situational irony.The most common form of irony is sarcasm, which is an example of verbal irony. When you use sarcasm, what you say is the exact opposite of what you intended. If you say to someone, "You're a genius" while implicitly (this is a whole different lesson), you meant to say that the person was actually stupid.
Now let's look at Kenyor's post and what he typed. While he does approve of Krawkyz's fanatic post about grammar, though, as Banana said, he is typing that in a sarcastic manner. It's obvious that he typed what he said in almost gibberish, but what he intended was the complete opposite of how he typed it.

Now let's look at your way of irony, which is supposed to be a situational irony. Just because someone at a younger age corrected someone who is older, that is not exactly ironic. People make errors all the time, and correcting someone is not ironic. The more correct way of using irony, in this case situational irony, is when an action is taken to have an certain effect on something, but it completely does the opposite. For example, a doctor undergoes a procedure in order to save a patient's life, but what happens as a result is the patient dies BECAUSE of the doctor's action. THAT is situational irony. Another example of situational irony can be found when the government creates a plan that will decrease unemployment. When the government puts that plan into action, they expected unemployment rate to drop. What actually happened is that unemployment rate increased BECAUSE of that direct action taken by the government.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is today's lecture on: Irony
For more information of today's lesson, please go to uuu.thisisnotarealsite.milk
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: BananaSquats on October 24, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ggmbcjhj1rej2ezo1_1280.jpg (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ggmbcjhj1rej2ezo1_1280.jpg)

Not really, I just wanted to use this pic :P
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Skittlez on October 25, 2012, 12:45:32 AM
I'm not sure how this is even an issue, there is spell check built into the forum, just review your post before submitting. Regardless, good rule, but perhaps a temp ban is a bit much, maybe we should go for public humiliation? Or public flogging?
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Jaysers on October 25, 2012, 01:01:26 AM
Well there's the smite option, but seeing how demanding Kraw is at only using it when it's unhelpful, that option is scratched out.
There could be a "Wall of Shame" for the public humiliation idea.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: jwirth on October 25, 2012, 06:47:25 AM
No we are not going to use the smite or applaud buttons because that will just lead to more argument and people having really bad down votes.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Krawkyz on October 25, 2012, 03:59:42 PM
Quote from: Skittlez
I'm not sure how this is even an issue, there is spell check built into the forum, just review your post before submitting. Regardless, good rule, but perhaps a temp ban is a bit much, maybe we should go for public humiliation? Or public flogging?
SPELL CHECK DEFINITELY CORRECTS GRAMMAR
Quote from: jwirthNo we are not going to use the smite or applaud buttons because that will just lead to more argument and people having really bad down votes.
APPLAUD AND SMITE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEFINED. LOOK AT MY SIGNATURE.
Quote from: Jaysers
Well there's the smite option, but seeing how demanding Kraw is at only using it when it's unhelpful, that option is scratched out.
There could be a "Wall of Shame" for the public humiliation idea.
Demanding? No. I'm trying to make sure people don't get forum banned.
Wall of Shame? On it.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Jaysers on October 25, 2012, 05:52:54 PM
Quote from: Krawkyz on October 25, 2012, 03:59:42 PM
APPLAUD AND SMITE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEFINED. LOOK AT MY SIGNATURE.
Not demanding? hmm...


Quote from: Krawkyz on October 25, 2012, 03:59:42 PM
Demanding? No. I'm trying to make sure people don't get forum banned.
Kraw, according to your logic, if someone is smited, then that means whatever that person posted was unhelpful. -Checks stats- well, you were smited 11 times. So much for making sure people don't get forum banned. According to your logic, what you posted did not help people 11 times.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Krawkyz on October 25, 2012, 07:55:32 PM
Quote from: Jaysers on October 25, 2012, 05:52:54 PM
Kraw, according to your logic, if someone is smited, then that means whatever that person posted was unhelpful. -Checks stats- well, you were smited 11 times. So much for making sure people don't get forum banned. According to your logic, what you posted did not help people 11 times.
Wrong. According to my logic, if someone is smited, it was deemed unhelpful by them. However, there is something special and out of your technological grasp called the "explanation."
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: jwirth on October 25, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
and here comes the arguments.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Jaysers on October 26, 2012, 01:49:58 AM
How was that statement wrong? What you said is basically a summary of what I just posted. If there is a "special" use for this smite option other than the use of deeming something unhelpful, what is stopping that "special" reason from being exploited? I find your argument invalid because of the lack of evidence following your claim and the lack of explanation as to why it is "out of my grasp".
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: bren4q on October 26, 2012, 05:42:14 AM
(https://forums.finalgear.com/attachments/general-automotive/court-rules-seized-multimillion-mercedes-500-k-belong-to-heirs/6976d1338823803-abandon-thread.gif)
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: jwirth on October 26, 2012, 08:48:11 AM
^ what he said
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Krawkyz on October 26, 2012, 04:17:46 PM
Quote from: Jaysers on October 26, 2012, 01:49:58 AM
How was that statement wrong? What you said is basically a summary of what I just posted. If there is a "special" use for this smite option other than the use of deeming something unhelpful, what is stopping that "special" reason from being exploited? I find your argument invalid because of the lack of evidence following your claim and the lack of explanation as to why it is "out of my grasp".
Skitty.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Kenyor on October 26, 2012, 05:42:59 PM
This thread after half-way through page 2:

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbifb9Ya811qkk6oy.gif)
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Mister_Survival on October 26, 2012, 05:44:40 PM
hey at least i know what RICOCHETINGit is


TO BOUNCE OFF WALLS. EXP. THE BULLET RICOCHETED THE WALL AND HIT KRAW IN THE FACE!
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Jaysers on October 26, 2012, 06:00:24 PM
Daang.. the argument was getting fun too :(
Well Kraw looks like we have to find another topic to disagree with :P
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Krawkyz on October 26, 2012, 09:00:07 PM
Darn, that was fun too. Why you guys gotta stop a good show?

Quote from: Mister_Survival on October 26, 2012, 05:44:40 PM
hey at least i know what RICOCHETINGit is


TO BOUNCE OFF WALLS. EXP. THE BULLET RICOCHETED THE WALL AND HIT KRAW IN THE FACE!
*tempban*

Ricocheting is "to shoot or hit and rebound one or more times off a surface"
Second:
Hey, at least I know what ricocheting is:**********

To bounce off surfaces. Example: The bullet ricocheted off of the wall and hit Kraw in the face.********
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Mister_Survival on October 27, 2012, 01:55:03 PM
hey not my fault my brain hates you
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: bren4q on October 27, 2012, 03:20:58 PM
Quote from: Krawkyz on October 26, 2012, 09:00:07 PM
Darn, that was fun too. Why you guys gotta stop a good show
No no. Please continue.
Title: Re: Grammar and its Proper Usage.
Post by: Mister_Survival on October 28, 2012, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: jwirth on October 26, 2012, 08:48:11 AM
^ what he said